Wikipedia:Featured Article Candidates - Nominations - Little Moreton Hall - Summary of Outstanding Issues

Summary of Outstanding Issues

The article is in a very good state.

Essential issues

None remain

Style

Several 'Germanism's'

To enclose-->enclosing. The former implies intention, the latter is just descriptive.

Elizabeth Moreton, an Anglican nun who inherited the house following the death of her sister Annabella in 1892, began restoration of the house, which by then was almost derelict.-->Elizabeth Moreton, an Anglican nun, inherited the house following the death of her sister Annabella in 1892 and began restoration of the house, which by then was almost derelict. Stylistic- there were 2 equal actions. Or Elizabeth Moreton, an Anglican nun who had inherited the house following the death of her sister Annabella in 1892, began its restoration as, by then, it was almost derelict.

The word quarry- for glass is difficult to link or trace I feel that there should be a link but the Stained glass is inadequate- though by now I surmise it is a corruption of the Norman French 'carré'.

Done Leaded glass ClemRutter (talk) 10:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Wording

used to store coal-->used to store domestic coal. If true it rules out the possiblity of steam engines and textile mills

Diagonal oak beams creating chevron and lozenge patterns adorn the façades-->Diagonal oak braces that create chevron and lozenge patterns adorn the façades. Beam is a technical term so is wrong -it must be brace. The that create change is stylistic- but places the subject as the first element of the sentence

Refs needed

Links

Tegg's Mill Quarry

Timber framing

Great hall

Wishlist

Some early nights.

Replies

• The source specifically says "to enclose an earlier property", so nothing is being assumed.
• Changed to "Elizabeth Moreton, an Anglican nun, inherited the almost derelict house following the death of her sister Annabella in 1892, and began restoration work."
• The OED gives this definition for quarry: " A small, diamond-shaped (or occas. square) pane of glass .... Also occas.: a small round pane of glass."
• All the source says is that the Chapel was being used as a coal cellar, which pretty much every house would have had in those days. There's absolutely no reason to suppose that the coal was being used for any kind of industry, of which there was none in the area anyway, as the estate was still being farmed at that time. I've amended the sentence to more accurately reflect what the source says: "By 1847 most of the house was unoccupied, and the deconsecrated chapel was being used as a coal cellar and storeroom."
• Changed "beams" to "braces" as per your suggestion.
• There seems to be some disagreement about where the gritstone slabs on the roof of the Long Gallery came from; Pevsner says Mow Cop, Lake & Hughes say Tegg's Mill Quarry, but nobody says Tegg's Nose Quarry, which is the target for your suggested link. Therefore I've removed any mention of where the slabs came from.
• Timber framing was linked in the lead, but I've now repeated the link in the opening paragraph of the House section.
• Where would you suggest putting a link to great hall? And what would that link tell us about Little Moreton Hall's Great Hall that this article doesn't already tell us? George Ponderevo (talk) 19:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

George Ponderevo (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I look at this from the pov of the reader, who may have many reasons to have landed here. I do a nice rant about BBC journalists who cut and paste my poorly referenced text straight into their scripts..., but generally we are the most reliable authors around- and at the bottom end will be the first degree student who will be wiki-surfing and building up their base knowledge via our links. Over the last few nights, checking wlinks I have come across a plethora of stubs and starts. Great Hall is bad- but not as bad as some. I see the See also section as an invitation to improve related articles.. in this sense Great Hall needs to be there. I see the need for an article on Glass quarries and Lime ash plaster floors. We are moving into the area of Straw Bale Houses, building with cob and green construction crafts. That is outside the current focus. Tegg's Nose refers to the geographical feature and the various quarries there - haven't checked Mow Cop more research needed. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not prepared to speculate that Tegg's Nose Quarry is the Tegg's Mill Quarry mentioned by Lake & Hughes as the source of the roofing slabs. And I certainly don't see a See also section as an invitation to improve related articles. George Ponderevo (talk) 02:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)